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The 1959 telephone interview with King had little impact on campus, but made a big impression on the UND students who took part<\/h4>\n
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In 1961, two years after his telephone conversation with UND students and their faculty advisor, Martin Luther King Jr. sat for an interview on the BBC program Face to Face. A screenshot of the interview is shown here.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

One Sunday evening in October 1959, some four to six student members of a UND Christian group crossed University Avenue for their weekly meeting in Corwin Hall, on the campus of what was then Wesley College.<\/p>\n

Corwin Hall had a kitchen, so the students and their faculty advisor brought food for a potluck, as was their habit. The group dined, talked and laughed. After, they adjourned to a nearby table or room, where they noticed a dial phone with an attached amplifier \u2013 a technology, new at the time, called a speakerphone.<\/p>\n

The students sat; a long-distance call was made. And out of the speakerphone boomed a deep voice, made scratchy by the amplifier but still resonant\u00a0\u2013 a voice the students may not have heard before then, but would get to know well across the decade to come.<\/p>\n

Twenty minutes later, the call was over.<\/p>\n

Did the students realize that they\u2019d just made history?<\/p>\n

Because the person on the other end of the line that evening was Martin Luther King Jr. And to the best of our knowledge, that short interview on Oct. 18, 1959, was the only direct contact that King ever had with the University of North Dakota.<\/p>\n

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Linda (Strobel) Thompson\/Dacotah yearbook photo, 1961<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

\u201cNo, I\u2019d have to say we didn\u2019t appreciate the interview in that way,\u201d recalled Linda (Strobel) Thompson with a laugh. Thompson, 81, a 1961 graduate of UND, was one of the students who was present that evening. UND Today<\/em> reached her by phone at her home in San Rafael, Calif.<\/p>\n

\u201cWe did recognize King as a very important leader at the time.\u201d But he wasn\u2019t yet the world-historic figure he would become in the 1960s, Thompson noted.<\/p>\n

Gary Staus, 80, UND Class of \u201862, agreed. Plus, the modern Civil Rights movement itself was in its infancy in 1959, especially in North Dakota, said Staus, a Twin Cities-area resident who also was present as a student at the interview with King.<\/p>\n

\u201cI grew up on a North Dakota farm, right on the border with Minnesota and Manitoba,\u201d Staus said. So, aside from the migrant workers who worked on Red River Valley farms during harvest seasons, Staus as a child (like many in North Dakota at the time) had little exposure to racial minorities at all, let alone to the Civil Rights movement.<\/p>\n

The window of UND<\/h4>\n

But according to both Thompson and Staus, the interview did make history \u2013 with them. That\u2019s because along with their other experiences at UND, the interview helped open the students\u2019 eyes to the larger world.<\/p>\n

And that, they said, is just what a college education is supposed to do.<\/p>\n

\u201cI was a \u2018townie,\u2019 because I was from Grand Forks,\u201d Thompson said. \u201cAnd my guess is that until I was in high school, I had probably never seen a black person.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Gary Staus\/Dacotah yearbook photo, 1961<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Yet there she was on the UND campus in 1959, a Grand Forks \u201ctownie\u201d along with \u201cfarm kid\u201d Staus and a few others, talking with Martin Luther King Jr.<\/p>\n

A few months later, Thompson, Staus and several others from their United Campus Christian Fellowship group heard King again. They’d ridden all night on a bus together to Athens, Ohio, to attend the Eighteenth Ecumenical Student Conference at Ohio University in December 1959, where King was the featured speaker.<\/p>\n

“I consider those events to be among the highlights of my college experience,\u201d Thompson said.<\/p>\n

\u201cMy husband and I continued to be involved in the Civil Rights movement in Bakersfield (Calif.) in the early 60s.\u201d That interest stemmed directly from the Ohio University trip, the King interview and other UND-related experiences, she said.<\/p>\n

The King interview came to light a few weeks ago, when UND Today<\/em> reported on UND\u2019s Martin Luther King Jr. mystery<\/a>. The mystery was that although the interview is listed in Stanford and Boston universities\u2019 day-by-day chronologies of King\u2019s life, no mention seems to have been made in the Grand Forks Herald<\/em>, the Dakota Student<\/em> or other local records of the time.<\/p>\n

Neither Staus nor Thompson were surprised that the meeting had passed without local notice. For one thing, Grand Forks and North Dakota as well as UND were very insular places at the time, as mentioned above. (In Grand Forks, the opening of Grand Forks Air Force Base \u2013 which had happened only two years before, in 1957 \u2013 was a particular milestone in attracting a more diverse population.)<\/p>\n

For another, they said, the ecumenical UCCF was a small and often-overlooked group, especially in comparison with the much larger Lutheran and Catholic organizations on campus.<\/p>\n

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Dacotah yearbooks were among the records examined in the UND Archives at the Chester Fritz Library, as UND Today sought clues to a 1959 interview on campus, via telephone, with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Photo by Mike Hess\/UND Today.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Rev. Spilman’s key role<\/h4>\n

And one other element of the Stanford and Boston records also came as no surprise to Thompson and Staus: the fact that those records list only a single name, that of the UCCF\u2019s faculty advisor, Rev. Ken Spilman.<\/p>\n

For Spilman truly was the unsung hero of the interview, as well as of the UCCF\u2019s role in introducing students to the wider world, the UND alumni agreed.<\/p>\n

\u201cKen Spilman was a very progressive leader; he was a graduate of the Yale Divinity School,\u201d Thompson recalled.<\/p>\n

\u201cAnd I would say, he was the person who had an understanding of civil rights and was encouraging young people to be socially active.\u201d<\/p>\n

Staus agreed. \u201cSpilman for some reason had some connections, and he was the person who got in touch with King\u2019s office,\u201d he said. \u201cHe was the one who\u2019d set everything up. He was somebody who wanted to get everyone thinking, to get us to be interested in the world.\u201d<\/p>\n

Spilman left UND in the early 1960s to become a religious education leader at the University of Illinois. His later years included service with the National Institute for the Seriously Ill and Dying and the Health and Human Values Task Force, both in Philadelphia. He died in 1998.<\/p>\n

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When UND students and a faculty advisor spoke with Martin Luther King Jr. in 1959, they may have used a speakerphone such as this one, a 1957 model made by Automatic Electric company. Photo by the Old Phone Shop<\/a> of Franklin, Wis., a retailer that repairs, restores and sells antique telephones.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

King on the speakerphone<\/h4>\n

As for the 1959 interview with King himself, Thompson and Staus recalled a few details. \u201cI believe Ken had submitted questions to Dr. King earlier,\u201d Thompson said. \u201cSo, we read those questions. We took turns reading a question, and King responded.\u201d<\/p>\n

Staus said that’s what he recalled, too. \u201cAnd I wish I could remember the questions, but I can\u2019t even remember the one that I asked,\u201d he said with a laugh.<\/p>\n

\u201cI\u2019m sure we talked about the news of the day. I think we might have talked about the incident in which King had been stabbed, for that was in the news at the time.\u201d (At a book-signing event in New York City in late 1958, King was stabbed in the chest by a mentally disturbed woman. He was \u201ca sneeze away from death,\u201d the surgeons who operated on him that day said.)<\/p>\n

But while the conversation\u2019s specifics have dimmed over the years, the overall interview loomed large across Staus and Thompson\u2019s lifetimes, the alumni said. From then on, \u201cevery time I saw King in the news, I would remember,\u201d said Staus, who used his UND chemical engineering degree to build a career at 3M.<\/p>\n

Thompson had even more occasions to call on her experience. In California, she became first a fourth- and fifth-grade teacher and then taught middle school. And so, during the 1960s and later, after King\u2019s birthday became a federal holiday, Thompson now and then told students about her own \u201cteeny tiny brush with history,\u201d as she put it.<\/p>\n

It happened back in 1959, when she was a student at the University of North Dakota, she\u2019d say. \u201cThat was where I and a few others had a telephone conversation with Dr. Martin Luther King.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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